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January 12, 2007

Israel and Queerty: Letters.

Without much to say, here is the correspondence between me and the editor of Queerty, Andrew Belonsky. Queerty is a popular gay blog and it comes to me often as a surprise that gay people who have suffered oppression for centuries all over the world are so intolerant to the suffering of the state of Israel. Israel is treated today as a collective Jew, the hate towards Israel and siding with the anti-semitic muslim world is just another example of modern anti-semitism.

See:
BUTT Chops Up Michael Lucas
Holy Israeli One-Liner Scandal, Fag Man!

Dear Andrew,

First, thank you for mentioning the BUTT article. As I am sure you know, I always appreciate publicity, whether it's positive or negative. But there is one particular thing which got me quite upset and even worried. As you can imagine, I take issue with Queerty's stance on Israel. I have been to Israel many times and I have also been to different muslim countries many times and am well traveled.

Let me tell you that within the whole middle east, the only country where Queerty would be possible is in Israel. If you decided to publish your blog in any other country in the middle east, you would be dragged into the main square, publicly beaten, and then your arms would be cut off, followed by your legs, and then you would be left for dead under the sun. And you would hear thousands of people chanting "Allah Akbar!"

Or maybe it wouldn't be all that dramatic. Maybe they would just take a knife to your head and cut it off. It takes no longer than 2 minutes. Just google "beheading videos". Unfortunately, you will see hundreds of video clips too gruesome for American tv.

Now, by saying that the world is tired of Israel using its weapons, are you suggesting that Israel should not use them? Do you know that that would cause a massacre of every Israeli citizen? Do you understand that this is not some imagined fear? This is the state agenda of countries like Iran and Palestine. Do you know that Islam, which Bush called a "peaceful religion", is preaching war on all infidels, advocates eye for eye and tooth for tooth, beating and killing women for hundreds of "reasons", killing gays, killing secular muslims,

Look- I can go on and on telling you how dangerous it is to side with the muslims and blame Israel for all the problems in the middle east- but it is particularly disturbing to me that you, an influential member of the media, do not see the reality of the situation in Israel and in today's world.

Best regards,
Michael Lucas

Hi Michael, darling.

Thanks for the note. Yes, I'm well aware of the dangers facing Israel. I'm also well aware of the danger Israel poses for its neighbors - just look at Lebanon. Sure, Israel may be more liberal with regard to gay people, but this issue's far larger than any LGBT crisis. Do I want to see the destruction of Israel? No. Do I want to see them beat up on Palestine? No. Do I want to see either side using their weapons? No. I think everyone's tired of Israel using its weapons - whether they feel they're justified or not. You can't possibly say you'd like to see this war go on until the end of time, can you? Perhaps my statement was a bit one-sided, but it's hardly as deep as all that.

I'll be posting a reply later this afternoon.
I hope you're well.

AB


Andrew,

I appreciate you posting my response tonight, but again, what worries me is that you do not understand the realities of today's world. How can you say that Israel poses a threat to its neighbors? I really think you should examine the history of the region because if you did you would realize that occupied territories were occupied during the 6 days war, when all of Israel's neighbors decided to wipe it off the map. Israel not only defended itself, but occupied parts of their territories to keep Israel safe and not have unsecured borders with enemies so close by. Furthermore, the vast majority of this territory has been returned. As for Lebanon, you should be aware that the Iranian-sponsored Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel for the past two years, what do you think the US would do if Mexico fired rockets across the US-Mexico border? There would be no Mexico.

Now I am not talking just about LGBT issues, but what do you mean Israel "may be" more liberal with regard to gay people? It's absolutely liberal and even more liberal in aspects such as gays serving in the army than it is here in the US, there is no "Don't Ask Don't Tell." Israel can be compared only to New York in terms of acceptance of LGBT people.

And I am not talking only about LGBT rights in the Muslim countries, I am talking about all forms of civil rights (women's rights, minority rights, freedom of religion and speech) granted to the citizens of Israel, they don't exist at all in Muslim countries. I am not talking about the lack of freedom like in Cuba, China, or Russia, I am speaking of the medieval cruelty with which they treat the people of their nations. I am speaking of stonings, beheadings, polygamy, etc.

I personally believe that the world is large enough for everyone to live the way they want and if women in Arab countries are stupid enough to cover their faces with medieval rugs and share their smelly, bearded husbands in burkas with other wives, be beaten, treated like dogs, etc., then let it be. But I don't want Muslim countries to try to impose their practices on the rest of the world and this is exactly what is happening today, especially in Europe.

Best regards,

Michael Lucas
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Related:
A post from Jewtastic.com on this subject.

Earlier on LucasBlog- Modern Anti-Semitism and Carter's Book

Posted by Michael at January 12, 2007 12:01 PM

Comments

Let's think logically about the things I said on Qweerty and about the Qweerty response to them.

Qweerty said "we think the world's tired of seeing Israel use its weapons"

Hamas, the rulers of the Palestinians, has a charter that says "Israel shall exist until Islam destroys it."

So were Israel to lay down its weapons and never use them, Hamas would overpower Israel and transmogrify that territory into an Islamic state under Sharia law.

Sharia law calls for gays to be killed. Currently in the Palestinian territories, gays are regular the victims of so-called "honor killings."

Obviously then, if Hamas replaced relatively gay-friendly Israel with an Islamic state, the gay people living in that area would be subject to a mortal danger under which they do not presently live.

The logic of that is plain to see.

The complaint I voiced to Qweerty stated that if its concept of Israel not using its weapons were carried out in the real world, gay people would suffer very severe consequences.

They labelled that as "insane."

I think that's just about all anybody needs to know about Qweerty.

Posted by: Scott Rose at January 12, 2007 02:47 PM

Hello Michael:

Qweerty today called you "virulently" pro-Israel.

Here are dictionary definitions of "virulent"

1) Extremely poisonous or pathogenic. Said of a disease, toxin, or microorganism.

2) Bitterly hostile or antagonistic; venomously spiteful, full of hate.

3) Intensely irritating, obnoxious, or harsh.

The first meaning isn't the one they had in mind as it applies to toxins.

If they understood "virulent" to have the second meaning, then they> were saying that the way in which you are pro-Israel is "full of hate"

If they understood "virulent" to have the third meaning, then they were saying that the way in which you are pro-Israel is "obnoxious."

How do you feel about that, and do you think that by calling you
"virulently anti-Israel" they made up for the errors they made yesterday?

Posted by: The Fuchsia Boa at January 12, 2007 03:45 PM

As an Irish lesbian very concerned about human rights around the world, I want to repeat a post that I made on qweerty regarding its manifest bigotry:

Didn't see the post yesterday but reading through it now I see you said offensive things beyond the "one little line." Your writer also said about Michael Lucas "thanks for respecting our country so much, but we suspect he doesn't love it as much as Israel. " I have a Master's in Sociology and my specialty is Ethnic Prejudices. The claim by Americans that Jewish-Americans have greater loyalty to Israel than the US is a common form of anti-Semitism. It's on a level with saying that all homosexuals are child abusers. The people who say it really believe it, and it really does reflect their bigotry. Your site has not exactly crowned itself in glory by printing that.

That is what I said on qweerty. Will they be thoughtful enough to publish a retraction of their hate speech? I doubt it. I know how bigots operate.

Posted by: Maura Collins at January 12, 2007 03:48 PM

That qweerty writer should get his gay ass lynched somplace in the Gaza Strip and then we'll see if he still thinks Israel shouldn't defend itself . . . which, after all, is just different wording for "the world is tired of seeing Israel using its weapons." The same irrational hatred that the Muslim Arabs have against gays, they have against Jews.

Posted by: Miss Thing at January 12, 2007 06:19 PM

The qweerty writer's response to you was flippant and obnoxious.

He shouldn't comment on serious matters, period, if he sums up the defense of his position by saying "it's hardly as deep as all that."

You, Michael, cared enough to express your concern over a matter of grave consequence. He owed you a serious response.

And his saying "Perhaps my statement was a bit one-sided" is not the same as would have been 'I acknowledge that my statement was unfair and will post a clarification on the site."

Posted by: Good Head on my Shoulders at January 12, 2007 06:32 PM

Lucas,

People like the editor of Queerty know very well that if the Palestinians were to give up there weapons there would be peace,they also know that if Israel were to do so she would be wiped off the map. It is very easy to attack Israel and make it seem like the Palestinians are victims but Israel is but one small country surrounded by what now consists of less than 1% of the total Arab territories. The country is but a sliver of land just ten miles wide surrounded by over a hundred and fifty million Arabs and Muslim nations.

I say this to bring into focus the realities of what is going on on the ground, it is not just Israel and the Palestinians. It is Israel and the entire Muslim, Arab world. Iran and the Arab population many who have billions of dollars use Palestinians and this conflict to diffuse attention from there government's crimes.

The facts are clear in the past few years there is a strain of anti-semtism that has grown over time in largely gay liberal circles.These views I believe are shaped over time by well meaning associations with progressive causes.

Many gay people feel that the world is separated between those who seek justice and those are opposed to it.Gay people tend to hold to the view that there should be group sympathy for the Palestinians because they are perceived in the media as the underdogs. What is neglected often in this view is context.

I still recall reading the New York Blades diatribe against Europe's most prolific intellect the gay politician Pim Fortuyn who was smeared by the left for being Islamaphobic, Pim saw radical Islam and Arab nationalism for what it was and yet he lost his life for it!

Arab Nationalism is nothing but a Trojan horse for Islamic takeover and anti semtism.
In many ways gay civic groups make a terrible mistake by assuming that all who call themselves progressives seek out there best interest. Palestine and the Arab nationalism is not the most gay friendly of popular uprisings.There view of progressive may be very different than most gay peoples.

Last year at the New York Pride parade I saw a group called "Gays for Palestine"and saw young gay man wearing the Communist leader Che Guevara T-Shirt. I shook my head wondering if he knew how Che executed gay people in death camps in Cuba. I wondered had any of these
guys had seen Renaldo Arenas "Before Night Falls."

The inability for the gay left to critique Arab nationalism and Islamic homophobic movements is the same unwillingness of the gay press to attack Communism. Many gay elites supported Communist upsisings knowing full well that members of there own sexual orientation were being killed under these same radical ideas.

They attack Evangelicals and Israel but this same gay press is almost silent when it comes to Islam .

In the past anti-semitism was mostly associated with the right. I would argue that today the primary source of anti semtism is from the left.

People like me who support Israel do not support Israel right or wrong but we support Israel if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

In the Arab world gay people are stoned to death or beheaded. Most gay people do not know that in the last few years, hundreds of gay Palestinians escape persecution mostly from the West Bank to live Tel Aviv one if Israel's most cosmopolitan city.

The reasons for this are clear in Isreal and the West gays have legal rights as citizens and live in safety and can blog about how oppressive there own countries are while pretending to represent another country.

The editor of Queerty would have been dragged in the street and beaten in Palestine for writing some of the things he has written in his blog in Israel they would have have given him a job at a local paper and there in lies the difference.


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Posted by: Richie at January 12, 2007 07:46 PM

Dear Michael:

Your attitude towards that Anshmoo of qweerpuke or whatever the site is called should be "I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent."

Others would do well to recall the words of Golda Meier who said that there will be peace in the Middle East when the Arabs love their own children more than they hate the Jews.

Posted by: The Quicksilver Pen at January 13, 2007 12:29 AM

We tend to agree with you, The LGBT community by its very nature should be more sympathetic to those who find themselves subjected to the harsh and often unjustified scorn of racism and bigotry.

Thank You for bringing this to our attention Michael, it means a lot to both of us!

Muscle Lover and Twink Fan - www.onguys.com

Posted by: Muscle Lover at January 13, 2007 05:48 PM

Anti-Jewish prejudice is one of the most, if not THE most, vicious prejudice(s) going.

I am not Jewish. But I'm opposed to all kinds of irrational bigotry, with no exceptions. And I can't tell you the number of times somebody has leaned in towards me and said "I don't know if you're Jewish but . . . " and then comes a string of the most incredible horseshit, slander against Jewish people spoken as if it were fact, and as if the undesirable quality the person had perhaps known in an individual Jew were automatically to be found in every single Jew who ever lived.

There was a film called "The Boys From Brasil", a sort of sci-fi thing of little cloned Hitlers.

You don't need the film though because the little cloned Hitlers are really walking around on the face of the earth, spreading their hate and their venom, and proud of themselves for doing it.

It also happens that . . just as with internalized homophobia producing gay people who agitate against gay rights . . . there are assholes born into Jewish families who cultivate and spread anti-Jewish bigotry.

Andrew at qweerty thinks he's cute with his flippancy; he is a big horrible ASSHOLE who forgot to do a douche before getting opened. So what can you expect to come out of him other than shit?

Anybody who hasn't been paying attention lately to what's been going on in Gaza and the West Bank should know; the Palestinians reached such a pitch of disagreement with each other over how to kill Jewish Israelis that they started killing each other. The situation got so violent that many were already labelling it a "civil war." In fact, the Hamas Prime Minister yesterday declared that the US and Israel are the ones who are causing the civil war among the Palestinians. He then urged his followers not to shoot at other Arabs but only at Israelis. That is what Israel is supposed to make peace with.

Abu Mazen, aka Abbas, is considered a "moderate." He wrote a book denying the Holocaust. It's very popular among Muslims. The Bush administration just sent him $85 million to arm his so-called "security forces." When he talks to the international press in English, he says one thing. When he talks to Arabs in Arabic, he says another. Just this week at a rally to celebrate the anniversary of the founding of El Fatah, he told his followers to point their guns at Israelis. In other words, Bush has sent guns to Muslim, gay-killing maniacs who have been instructed by one of their leaders to use them against the people of one of our most steadfast allies.

Bush is a lunatic. He's dragged the US backwards and downwards. The Palestinians never accept responsibility or accounatibility for improving their own lot. Everything is the Jews fault in their opinion, and they will even blow themselves up if in doing so they can kill Jews and achieve, so they think, martyrdom.

Palestinian school children are taught AS PART OF THEIR STANDARD CURICULUM that to become a "martyr" through suicide attacks against Israelis is a wonderful, honorable activity, which allah will reward.

What the fuck is wrong with qweerty that they would so glibly dismiss these matters, and slander Israel?

Posted by: Arafat Was a Closet Case at January 13, 2007 10:16 PM

Michael,

thank you for reminding people of the reality in Isreal. I do think that so many forget it. If your neighbor was constantly attacking you and use the most difficult method to avoid...you would natuarlly be cautious.

And to note....The USA never took the steps to correct it's AIRLINE failures cause the private companies decided it was cheaper to NOT re-enforce the doors of the cockpit and to prepare for the worst. They assumed, in spite of the evidence, that all hijacking would be for transport...not political desires. HELL 1986 TWA hijacking was the precursor to the 9/11 events.

Posted by: Itay S at January 19, 2007 10:04 PM